“I do hope that all you good people out there who disagree with this imposition of an unrealistic speed on the Laceby bypass write directly to the Council objecting to it. If enough people do they will not be able to ignore.”

“GT. Why you remove my post??

If you object, surely it is polite to tell the author why you have removed the post.
My post was not in any way in contravention of the rules.”

“Brian, you do like making a fool of yourself don't you. You have not answered the question/criticism that many readers have on their minds from, the Retired Engineer, Exasperated - Not in his car (thankfully), No Nonsense - Land of Nod, Me - Here, and me.

What is the best solution to limit the mayhem caused when a banned drunk or drugged driver careers out of control when police fail to spot them driving?

The overall concensus is that the current solution will not prevent this.

You also omit to state that the official line was a very cautious one, they know it doesn't answer the problem of banned drunk/drugged drivers losing control. The problem still exists which is cold comfort for those directly affected.”

“The proof of the pudding is in the eating and as it says in the article:

'There was not a single injury collision since the limit was reduced from 70mph in October last year, through to March of this year.'

Yes a few 50mph signs have worked wonders as reported and there they'll stay, the council have wisely decided, continually improving the safety of us all.

It looks as though retired engineer has sought the help of the infamous ABD driver and of course his mate blokey bloke, simultaneously re-emerges. I suppose that blokey bloke, Dungeness, thinks he brings a 'New Clear Vision' to the relationship between speed and death, get it? LOL ;)

Now let's wait for the mantra and urban myth that the petrol heads put about for the educationally challenged to chant, that speed doesn't kill. Yes of course it's inappropriate blah, blah, boring, boring, heard it all before, what a waste of time petrol heads are.

Goodbye and enjoy the further speed restrictions that you bring upon yourselves but also unfortunately on the intelligent rest, who don't have a need to feed over inflated juvenile egos.”

“Putting up a few 50mph signs.....will prevent accidents?? Really !

They put signs for don't drink and drive. but they do and did so for years - still it happens. So how do you limit the damage a crash causes when the police fail to stop multiple offending drink/drugged banned miscreants taking a car and veering off a straight road and causing huge amounts of distress.”

“Brian - You're sounding more and more like someone connected with putting up speed limit signs/cameras or shareholder for StageCoach.

So you mention cost - so you are advocating cost before safety!! You imply that the council do not have risk assessment on containment of accidents in the eventuality they happen. How would you know that Brian? Do you work there?

Nice one. What an own goal. Nice of you to declare your thoughts to the readers. I'm sure the readers can see your angle very well. Wherever you got your senses from, I'd take 'em back for a refund.

The cost of series of consulations and mediocre roadworks plus more consultations would have paid for a proper job in the first place. If the temporary plastic bollards were to be removed and the defunct road sections dug up, filled and re-aligned properly then it would be just as cheap to install roundabouts. Also, motorist pay some £50 billion in road taxes, of which only £7 billion is used on the road. Its high time more road taxes are used on safety engineering on roads, something that the Inst. of Civil Eng have pointed out. And further more, high grip asphalt near junctions for improved braking just in case an emergency is required as promoted by Asphalt Council and practiced in parts of London and Kent. It wouldn't surprise me any re-surfacing would be done by SMA which ain't biker friendly.

In the real world there is no such thing as zero accidents, so safety engineering needs to consider eventualities. The accidents I witnessed were not speed related but caused by mechanical failure or adverse environmental factors or observation errors made by others - pulling out without indication and short notice and travelling well below the speed limit. Your solution is that of a one-clubbed golfer - speed and speed alone. As for your buses - have you got shares in Stagecoach? You're giving them enough advertising. The trouble with buses they don't go to the area I or my friends and family want to visit. Sure you bus jihadist can go to London by bus like the OAP in Sheffield - it took 3 days. Take Limber for instance - one bus per week the last time I looked. I'm not anti bus or train - I use them when its cheaper and as quick. Buses are fine for around town and to other towns, but for rural areas - forget it, they were hopeless for country folk years ago as they are now, the car is not going away.”

“Retired Engineer, Laceby.

Entering your second childhood phase eh? What¿s the cost of two roundabouts, Armco barriers to contain crashes as you put it? All that was required was a few 50mph signs, which extend the driving time along the length of the bypass by less than 60 seconds and they will prevent accidents - problem solved by the council. The aim isn't to contain accidents you doofus but to prevent them happening in the first place and I suppose that thought has never penetrated your thick skull. Thank God the council traffic safety management is showing such positive results and all sane people applaud their efforts. You sound too old to be driving and you should definitely investigate switching to Stagecoach travel.”

“Me, Here, errr I don't think the ABD are an irrelevance. If you read the comments again, and erroneously I did a "warrior" - there in there twice. I think you'll see that I think we need the ABD more than ever, as mentioned earlier they have done sterling lobbying work. ABD's Keith Peat is a "Class 1" police driver - and folks think that all police like speed cameras.

I remember when the by pass was open all rural A roads had 70 mph limits, this was in the day when cars had drum brakes and cross plys, no seat belts no crumple zone but plenty of spikey switches. I remember seeing an accident in the 60's when a some car's stub axle sheered off the car skidded in the central res, the wheel rolling into the opposing carriageway. I thought then "now if a barrier was installed! Cllr Marshall is aware and wants these installed along with two roundabouts, then these accidents can be contained. Also the population of Laceby has grown and traffic load on the old 1961 layout hasn't caught up. A roundabout should be installed to cope with the increased traffic, and again, in case there's a collision, any t-boning incident takes place then not just at a lower speed, but the angle can be less square-on reducing the severity of the collision - the original safety idea they were invented in the first place but everyones forgot. I think there was a RTA post camera installation, and it just goes to show severity of injury may go down, but the tally of accidents still goes up albeit at lower speeds - isn't it better to reduce accidents altogether. The recent icey winter shows crash barriers needed too, I remember a car in the early 80s skidding on ice, the car stopped in central res but there were no street lamps to hit then.

Unfortunately high profile crashes get remembered and the powers that be offer knee jerk solutions.

As for Brian GY, well folks he has more or less just confirmed that the he's one of these bus spotting bores who no doubt has a non-job in the public sector squandering tax payers money on nowt. If he's so pro scamera, then only staff at scamera pratnerships would support talivans prat perch with selfish unsafe steel bollards which are a hazard to road-users esp. bikers in wet/icy conditions. So long as we have this type of luddite thinking the roads will steadily get worse - people of his ilk way of thinking have been in the media spouting that potholes should not be filled since they enhance safety by threatening to bust motorists suspension and therefore they drive slower. He hasn't given us readers what logically engineered solution should be implementent, instead we get a cave-man grunt gerr-on-a-bus monologue; it just shows that he has no imagination which is exactly the point I made in the last comment and he's just confirmed it - just another ban-it-all-brigade merchant with no imagination. If there is an irrelevance, then it is him.

Give Cllr Marshall what he and Laceby want - two roundabouts and crash-barriers. We could have got second hand ones from the M180, what a missed opportunity.

Warrior, I seem to be having your double take probs on my last comment.”

“Retired Engineer, your thoughts are noted, the ABD may be irrelevant in your eyes, but they have a point, and it is worth putting forward.
I wonder that if the tinkering with the junctions paired with a 60mph limit would have resulted in the same outcome. I would argue that it would, as all of the accciidents (when the road was not being used as a race track) have been on the cross overs at the junctions, so by dealing with that problem the speed limit is arbatory. The road is more than capable of 60 or even 70 therefore it ought to be put at that. I would argue that if you took all limits off the road completely, the average speed would be less than 70.

The trial was fatally flawed, by changing too many things at the same time, so in realtiy no one can say for definite why there have been no collisions.

I call for a re test.......”

“Retired Engineer, Laceby. You've confirmed not just once but twice why the ABD is a total irrelevance. Swap the car for Stagecoach and the paranoia with roads will go away.”