Anti-wind farm campaigners: 'People power only way to stop turbine invasion'

“Lizidrip before coming out with your sweeping statements, may I suggest that you go and do some research on this topic. Wind turbines as I have already stated earlier, constantly use electricity even when they are not generating anything which is most of the time. It's a bit like starting your car and leave it running on your drive, then catching the bus.

To save you time read my earlier post.

You mention that wind turbines are the future, yet the lifespan of these things is just 25 years. When you talk about the financial viability of producing energy, it doesn't come any worse than wind turbines, again read my earlier post.

All the turbines we have currently in this country are the equivalent to just 1 drax power station .”

“In a recent poll, the majority of those surveyed said they wanted more wind power, not less. Among the reasons they gave were that wind power gives us "energy security", that it creates jobs and that it reduces CO2 emissions. Not one of these alleged benefits stands up to scrutiny. But for years the lavishly subsidised wind industry has got away with these misleading claims, thanks partly to a well-funded PR operation. The reason the wind lobby are going to struggle is that the facts are against them. There is lots of evidence that wind energy is a disaster in almost every conceivable respect: it massacres protected bats and rare birds – even to the point of threatening some species (like the Tasmanian wedge-tailed eagle) with extinction; it trashes property values; it spoils the countryside; it inflates energy prices; it drives the vulnerable into fuel poverty; it is holding back the economic recovery; it frightens off tourists; it produces low frequency noise – and this, in particular, is a major public health scandal just waiting to blow – which can make those living within a mile of a turbine seriously ill. Oh – and it doesn't even reduce carbon emissions or create energy security because wind power, being by nature intermittent and unreliable, requires near 100 per cent back-up from conventional, fossil-fuel power ticking away on "spinning reserve". It's not wind farming but subsidy farming.”

“I have read lots of the information on wind turbines and the power they produce and agree that they will not provide all the power we need now or in the future.
However what they are providing is relatively pollution free when compared with the current methods used to provide power, and anything that helps to cut down on pollution and support the environment has to be positive.

I wonder how the people who are complaining about them so much, would complain as much if a nuclear power station was built on the east coast, even more I would hope, and I would join them
Carrying on relying on the current power stations is simply silly, we are already buying in fuel from other countries to power them, not economically viable and the pollution they cause is horrendous.

This government and its members have no concrete policies for the environment and are funding no research that I can find into non polluting renewable energy, I can find no record of any research actually been done across the country on the UK peoples view on renewable energy, yet Tapsell appears to be supporting this minority view because they are shouting a lot, despite his party leader cameron supporting renewable energy. The whole bunch are failing in their duty to the people of the UK.

At present wind turbines are helping to support a failing power system in a manner that is not causing the level of pollution that other methods cause.
To use excuses like a blot on the landscape is a selfish view, and thoughtless of the future, many people think they actually think that the turbines add structure and beauty to the bleak landscape.”

“Let's face it nobody of importance (in fact hardly anybody) reads these comments and if the know it all contributors (numbering 2/3 at most) had anything to offer the world instead doing a pu*ffed up Captain Mainwaring, they'd be doing it.

And some fell on stony ground, just like this comment eh. Get over it you miseries you've had your day and nobody took any notice of you then :-D .”

“Wind Power and Biomass are nothing but a massive con. We hear a lot about "green jobs" in the renewables industry. The reality is rather different. A recent report called "Worth The Candle?" by Verso Economics demonstrates that for every job created in the renewable sector, four jobs are destroyed elsewhere in the economy. How? By driving up energy costs, reducing
competitiveness and deterring investment.Contrary to the claims of the green lobby, the renewable industry is unsustainable. It needs massive ongoing public subsidy. Such levels of subsidy are unaffordable, especially in current economic times. These subsidies are also profoundly regressive. They take money from poor consumers, including pensioners, and
give it to rich landowners and corporations. Like it or not, we need Coal, Gas, Shale Gas, Nuclear, Thorium, for our energy demands. Regretably we cannot restore the UK coal industry as long as we are bound hand-and-foot by the climate alarmists and green zealots in Brussels.”

“Have any of you people that like the idea of wind "farms" actually done any research on them?

If you have you will be no doubt be aware of how inefficient they are. The official figures are, that they work on a diversity allowance (to take into account of the wind not being strong enough, or being too strong) of 23.7%, which means that for for 76.3% of the time, they generate nothing!.

However according to Siemens, who manufacture a range of turbines, state in their technical data sheets, that each turbine actually consume anything from 5kw of power up to 9.6kw 24 hours a day 52 weeks of the year. They also require 18kw of power to get the motors running to turn the blades for the wind to take over, and also require 18kw of power to rotate the head into the wind. This power comes from an alternative power source, namely the national grid.

According to the renewable energy companies, these turbines cost 1 million pounds a Meggawatt to construct and that is not allowing for any of the needed infrastructure, or switchgear. So the development near Tetney would cost around 24 million pounds in Turbines alone.

To replace a power station such as Drax, realistically you would need some 3,000 turbines, which would cost around 6 billion pounds. To construct a Drax style power station would cost between 800 million and 1.2 billion pounds. So that would be 5 x Drax style power stations that don't rely on the wind blowing! and 5 x times the capacity for the same money! No wonder our electricity bills are going through the roof eh!

You will also know that for every £150,000 worth of renewable energy generated, the renewable energy companies receive £250,000 in the way of government subsidies. that is our government shelling out, not the EU. And who is paying for this? yes that's it me, you and everyone else who uses electricity, and to think that 10% of households in this county alone are deemed to be in fuel poverty. Just imagine how these people could benefit from that money which is currently being poured into the renewable companies coffers.

You will also know that 9 out of the top 10 renewable energy companies are either German or French owned, so our money is not even staying here in our economy.

I could go on with lots more facts, but I would be here all night."”

“Nukedragga you are a sad clown. You never write anything that contributes to the discussion. All you seem to want to do is make snide remarks.Especially about me. You must be jealous of my knowledge. Why don't you seal away , & find something else to talk nonsense about.”

“Jas' do you know what an acronym is such as for example AKA ;-) ?

Our world authority on energy uses a lot as he writes to himself and debates with himself. He's the only person who communicates with him ;-) , the sad sod.”

“It is nice to see some intelligent comments for a change. There are people out there that get it. Used to be we had the likes of Pensioner who new the power industry, & Blokey bloke who worked with wind. A very knowledgeable guy. Who could explain the shortcomings of wind.
Now to the cube of the exponential of wind speed Top wind speed is about 50km/.hr. Above that you risk overload so that is the rating speed. If the speed is half that then according to the law you have one eighth power. It works downword only. Of course the wind is rarely 50km/hr. Most of the time it is much lower. There is generation below 15km/hr. at 15 it is a mere 6% of full load. This means that if you don;t have brisk winds tou have very little power. 50km/hr gives you top out put Beyond 50 is overload. That will cause shut down. Look at your wind speeds every day that will tell you how wind is doing”

“if japan had of had turbines , then the land would not of been unhealthy”