“That photo is from a scene, on a variation of Gulliver¿s travels.

He¿s a giant evicting an invisible human by his ear from the Town Hall.”

“what about increased charges for council services to the old and sick. I know lets make them Pay more! Brilliant(not).It's just a gimmick because ADF thinks that there will be a general election the same day as the locals, therefore increasing the turn out and seriously threatening to wipe the ld out...”

“So...er....No increase then.

Yeah....right....we'll see.

Oh and David. You need to get out more mate!”

“mmmm.... zero then ADF shame you didnt have 7,000,000 fingers to hold to the camera last year.LEST WE FORGET!!! soon be voting time and that may well be the zero sign for the number of lib dumbs re-elected...kipper”

“As i said, it includes the fire and police authourity. But what ADF is not telling us is that it has to increase by 6% over three years. You seem to over look that Jon GY. Now imagine how hard that is going to hit the population if it is not steped in instred of 3% and 3%. Its terrible. It should be 1.5% year 1, 2.5% year 2 and 2% year three thus allowing the local economy to strengthen. Its just electionearing for a 0% and it is us the population of North East Lincolnshire who will suffer in the long run. I wont be voting Lib Dem again! The Torys are just as bad aswell. Wast of space the lot of them”

“Jon, Gy
Yes and the Council has members sat on the Fire & Police, who set the precepts. I bet that NELC has Lib Dem Councillors on those bodies.”

“I posted this comment at approximately 11.00 am.

Are will still censuring comments (such as they disappear!), or will this now appear on site? Whatever, I will try to add some serious comment to the story (again).

¿Nice photo! I made a study of such gestures in the 1980¿s as a part of my degree and I reproduce some stats from Gestures, by Desmond Morris (et al) 1979, he of ¿Man Watching¿ fame. Ask your Council library to get you a copy from the British Lending Library¿

In chapter 9, pages 100-118, this gesture is called ¿The Ring¿, and it is a rude gesture referring to an orifice, but only in some countries. This is the naivity of using gestures in different countries ¿ for example this one is considered a deep insult in parts of Turkey, as is (for example) blowing your nose openly in a Turkish public place¿

But in a poll of 1200 people in 40 countries about the Ring, the outcome was this:
700 ¿ Ok ¿ good
128 ¿ Orifice
115 ¿ Zero
16 ¿ Threat
27 ¿ other meaning
214 ¿ not recognised.

It ranks right up there with Churchill¿s palm forward ¿V¿ sign when meeting the Greek Army (and ¿ by which ¿ insulting the whole army) and Margaret Thatcher¿s palm back V sign ¿ a clear mistake for Churchill¿s ¿ toward a Associated Press Photographer following an election gain.

Some might say that was also a ¿sign¿ of things to come¿

David¿”

“Voter, it says in the story barring any increase by the police and fire brigade, and the council cannot influence that increase in any way. If it does increase, blame the fire and police, not the council.”

“What he has not told you is that council tax needs to be increased by 6% over three years. My guess is that the next two years will be 3% and 3% which will seriousley damage the local economy as it will hit people in their pockets. Also the council tax will increase beacuse of the Fire Police and Ambulance authourity. He wont tell you all that though as he wants your votes!”

“Nigel, Grimsby. The sign doesn't mean 'OK', he's just indicating that he believes we have holes in our brains if we don't recognise this as blatant electioneering.

De Freitas we haven't forgotten and we have 7,000,000 reasons to never forget.”