“We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it. Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor.”

“Draven, Grimsby -- commented on 30-Jul-2010 10:45
"an error has occurred" -- u mite get this 2x
Draven -- aye!! dare i suggest also a broad-arrowed one-piece suit for the chain-gangs. and maybe the supervisor should be fastened to the other end of the chain? Or would they prefer to be a form of 'Miss Whiplash' with an eagle eye for every piece of rubbish missed? Then a quick and tidy reminder for the rubbish that missed it?

...and another thing.

do the contents of this thread seem to indicate that this is another worthless specious poll without proper alternatives or conclusive results, however people vote?

shouldn't it be something definitive, like:

In new legislation should ASBOs be --
¶ continued, as is?
¶ substituted by birching?
¶ substituted by the stocks?
¶ substituted by transportation?
¶ or maintained, with all of the above, except transportation, applied in rotation for every transgression of the order.

Just another dream...”

“and again the views of the Grimsby Labour MP are absent. Asbos are ineffective but are they to be replaced with something?
I'm not a hang em and birch em person but there does need to be consequences for antisocil behaviour. Community service ridgidly enforced seems have the best potential benefit... saves us cash and maybe helps maintain the area.
I watched a line of lads walking down Cleethorpes prom picking up litter... the "supervisors" where in a van half way up the prom. The lads were just haveing a stroll .. no benefit to anyone so it would need to be supervised properly unlike now.”

“HT, At (your) computer desk -- commented on 29-Jul-2010 23:23
Neil, Cleethorpes -- commented on 30-Jul-2010 00:26

Good thoughts chaps, but why export all that free labour? What about a couple (or three) weekend chain gangs for the periods of the ASBOs? We could have the Freemo-Gang, the Freshno-Gang, and in season, the Thorpo-gang. Just have them picking up the rubbish (of ALL sorts) that they helped to throw during the week? They could tow a big bin on the end of their chain. No need to feed and water 'em -- there's plenty of that left in plastic containers thrown, with little wooden forks, and half-full cans -- on where WE have to walk.

Now, including the chain and anklets, that's not unreasonable, considering (in MY day, and I KNOW I didn't dream it) that 'the non-abusive, King's/Queen's Regulations-abiding common soldier' did that 'in camp' on a regular basis. It was called 'Conservancy'. One even picked up loose blades of grass and over-large bits of dust...! I think it was something to do with 'building discipline' (and showing who was boss?)

'course, we can't expect the Council to 'think out of the box' as they've never experienced being 'out of the box', and it won't massage the numbers, so Humberside Police won't think of it... Or maybe they WILL? Isn't it called 'zero tolerance'?

Mostly just a dream chaps. I made it up (except the Conservancy bit). As I do.”

“I can appreciate why some people take the law into their own hands.
HT, At my computer desk

Theres an entire country where thats perfectly legal. Theres no anti-social behaviour where I live. You try that you risk a beating a taser or a bullet (all justifiable).
Now of course theres still bad people but they tend to mess with each other rather than your average law abiding citizen which of course helps immensely with the gene pool.”

“The Army would not want these scrotes,HT. They want dedicated people. I suppose they could use them as target practice......How about sticking them in a large group to irritate certain Afghan people who like to blow things up,or shoot someone?”

“There should be zero tolerance towards any kind of anti-social behaviour and personally I would send the yobbos to spend a few months on the front line in Afghanistan. Then we'd see just how hard they really are. It's about time the authorities stood for the rights of the victims.

And yes I do know what it's like to be the victim of anti social behaviour; to be jeered at and have things thrown at you when you walk down the street; to run the risk of having your head kicked in if you say anything to them; to have bricks, eggs and other rubbish thrown at your window; to have yobs banging constantly on your window at ten o'clock at night; to have c**p shoved through your letterbox, but to name a few things. When it happens day after day it gets you down, especially when you ring the police and you are told "it's not serious enough" for them to deal with it.

I can appreciate why some people take the law into their own hands.”

“That was very good,Observer. I thought the comment was worthy of,er,comment. What do you replace our current system with?”

“OK so you get rid of asbos. What are they going to put in there place? Bang them up in prison? It wasn't that long ago that prisoners had to be released early as the prisons were overcrowded. Give them the birch say some. That will never happen and people know it. Put them in the army, say others. The army doesn't want other peoples rubbish and why should they? I get the impression that this move has been badly thought through. Time will tell.

In the mean time the ever suffering public will have to suffer the yobo culture.”

“ASBOs don't work, neither do people who collect them as badges of honour, I predict a headline 'PCSOs not taken seriously', probably in a few years when the manipulated crime figures don't tally up.”