VOTE: Community leaders back Government plan to scrap Asbos
Would you be glad to see the back of Anti Social Behaviour Orders?
As reported, yesterday, Home Secretary Theresa May announced the controversial measures could be scrapped following a Government review.
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ASBO GO: Councillor Steve Beasant, vice-chairman of the Humberside Police Authority is backing plans to abolish Asboâs.
And community leaders in North East Lincolnshire have backed her, saying that as far as they are concerned, Asbos aren't working.
Speaking in Parliament yesterday, Mrs May launched the review of the measures available to police to tackle anti social behaviour, saying more than half of Asbos imposed so far had been breached at least once and that it was "time to move beyond" the orders.
Her sentiments have been backed by Councillor Steve Beasant, vice chairman of the Humberside Police Authority, Cleethorpes MP Martin Vickers and Gary Calder, operations manager for North East Lincolnshire Businesses Against Crime.
Since Asbos were brought in by Labour Government in April 1999, 168 orders have been handed out to troublemakers in North East Lincolnshire, with 98 currently active. In Lincolnshire, 77 were handed out between 2000 and 2008.
Across the Humberside force area, 305 of the 500 Asbos imposed in the same period have been breached at least once – and since January alone, the Grimsby Telegraph has reported on eight men who appeared in court charged with breaching their orders.
To find out more, see today's Grimsby Telegraph.
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by Razz, Grimsby
Sunday, August 08 2010, 7:44PM
“We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it. Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor.”
by walt.a.meattie, Land of the (too) free
Friday, July 30 2010, 2:01PM
“Draven, Grimsby -- commented on 30-Jul-2010 10:45
"an error has occurred" -- u mite get this 2x
Draven -- aye!! dare i suggest also a broad-arrowed one-piece suit for the chain-gangs. and maybe the supervisor should be fastened to the other end of the chain? Or would they prefer to be a form of 'Miss Whiplash' with an eagle eye for every piece of rubbish missed? Then a quick and tidy reminder for the rubbish that missed it?
...and another thing.
do the contents of this thread seem to indicate that this is another worthless specious poll without proper alternatives or conclusive results, however people vote?
shouldn't it be something definitive, like:
In new legislation should ASBOs be --
¶ continued, as is?
¶ substituted by birching?
¶ substituted by the stocks?
¶ substituted by transportation?
¶ or maintained, with all of the above, except transportation, applied in rotation for every transgression of the order.
Just another dream...”
by Draven, Grimsby
Friday, July 30 2010, 10:45AM
“and again the views of the Grimsby Labour MP are absent. Asbos are ineffective but are they to be replaced with something?
I'm not a hang em and birch em person but there does need to be consequences for antisocil behaviour. Community service ridgidly enforced seems have the best potential benefit... saves us cash and maybe helps maintain the area.
I watched a line of lads walking down Cleethorpes prom picking up litter... the "supervisors" where in a van half way up the prom. The lads were just haveing a stroll .. no benefit to anyone so it would need to be supervised properly unlike now.”
by walt.a.meattie, GRIMLAND The Clean & Tidy?
Friday, July 30 2010, 8:15AM
“HT, At (your) computer desk -- commented on 29-Jul-2010 23:23
Neil, Cleethorpes -- commented on 30-Jul-2010 00:26
Good thoughts chaps, but why export all that free labour? What about a couple (or three) weekend chain gangs for the periods of the ASBOs? We could have the Freemo-Gang, the Freshno-Gang, and in season, the Thorpo-gang. Just have them picking up the rubbish (of ALL sorts) that they helped to throw during the week? They could tow a big bin on the end of their chain. No need to feed and water 'em -- there's plenty of that left in plastic containers thrown, with little wooden forks, and half-full cans -- on where WE have to walk.
Now, including the chain and anklets, that's not unreasonable, considering (in MY day, and I KNOW I didn't dream it) that 'the non-abusive, King's/Queen's Regulations-abiding common soldier' did that 'in camp' on a regular basis. It was called 'Conservancy'. One even picked up loose blades of grass and over-large bits of dust...! I think it was something to do with 'building discipline' (and showing who was boss?)
'course, we can't expect the Council to 'think out of the box' as they've never experienced being 'out of the box', and it won't massage the numbers, so Humberside Police won't think of it... Or maybe they WILL? Isn't it called 'zero tolerance'?
Mostly just a dream chaps. I made it up (except the Conservancy bit). As I do.”
by Citizen 0, Ex GY
Friday, July 30 2010, 2:03AM
“I can appreciate why some people take the law into their own hands.
HT, At my computer desk
Theres an entire country where thats perfectly legal. Theres no anti-social behaviour where I live. You try that you risk a beating a taser or a bullet (all justifiable).
Now of course theres still bad people but they tend to mess with each other rather than your average law abiding citizen which of course helps immensely with the gene pool.”