Cyclist shaken up after 'hit-and-run'

“Doctor?, Cleethorpes.

It could be that pedestrians feel safer from cyclist in the cycle lane than on the footpath? Although I have yet to see anyone walking in a cycle lane, and very rarely anyone cycling in one.

Yes, I think that children from the age of about 10 should also be insured, paid for by their parents untill they leave school or get a job.

Sorry Doctor?, but you are WRONG, the problem started with the introduction of cycle lanes on the road.

Yo also say, "this town was designed and built in an era before cars, etc." Weren't all old towns and cites, so there's nothing unique about this town.

Hope you don't tire (no pun intended) your self out working, and I bet you just have to reply, lol,
regards,”

“Warrior what I mean't by pedestrians tend to amble into them is that the often walk into clearly marked cycle lanes.
As for the question of where are people supposed to park? That problem started occuring as soon as we went past the saturation point of cars in our country this is just a symptom of the fact that there are to many cars in this country. Another problem is that this town was designed and built in an era before cars so we have problems now.
As for cyclists paying tax and insurance, that would be inordinately expensive to make law and enforce. Are you also suggesting children whom make up a large part of the cycling population be made to pay tax and insurance on their bike and be fined for not having done so?
One possible way of doing this would be to put say a ten pound tax on new bikes and a pound on top of new bikes.
As for maintanence, I do have my bike serviced and somtimes maintain myself. I spent over a hundred pounds overhauling my bike this year.
Once again thank you for the debate as I will not be replying again as I have work to do so goodbye and all the best.”

“?, Cleethorpes,

I also forgot to add,

Of course walking/cycle lanes could work, the do perfectly well in Germany and Holland for example. It would just need a little education.

It's easy to count the number of cyclist using the lane's, particularly on Wheelsby Road, there aren't any!

As to your remark, "Pedestrians tend to amble into them." I take it you mean on the footpaths? What do you expect them to do, Sprint?.

If there were separate walking and cycle lanes on a footpath, it wouldn't matter how fast or slow anyone walked, would it?”

“?, Cleethorpes,

As I said, the car owners have just as much right to park on the road as anyone else have, even though they may have a drive. You may not like it, but there is NO law to say they MUST use their drive.

Of course having cycle /walking lanes on footpaths could work.
It works perfectly well in Germany, Holland etc, so why not here. It would need a little education, is all.

If all cyclist had to have insurance, and properly maintained and road legal bikes(they ARE road user's, after all) I bet that would be different, because if they weren't in a cycle lane, it could affect any claim they may make.

Sorry, ?,--but you've 'lost this one'”

“Warrior you seemed to have missed the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make was that if the drivers are as I suggested residents then they should park in their own drive ways and not on the kerb / cycle or road.
Another point I was making is that drivers tell us to use cycle lanes but how can we if you park cars on them.
As for your suggestion on putting cycle lanes on footpaths that won't work as pedestrians tend to amble into them.
I suggest that we have reached an impass on this subject but thanks for the debate.
As for your statistic for how many people are using cycle lanes, how did you gather that ? Count them perhaps. It looks like you drivers and us cyclists and set to get each others nerves for the forseeable future oh well, never mind.”

“?, Cleethorpes,

You still don't gedit, do you?

If it's a longish cycle lane, how/where would you expect a driver to park?

You can't have it both ways.
If they don't park on the cycle lane, then they MUST "intrude into the road."

And if they comply with the law, then they must park close to the kerb.

I would suggest that ALL cycle lanes are removed from the road's and put onto the footpath's.

It would seem, according to you, a driver just can't win.

Yes, people do use the cycle lanes, about 1 in 10.”

“Warrior i wasn't suggesting cars should be parked next to the cycle and intruding into the road what I was suggesting was that they shouldn't be parked over the cycle in the first place. By the way people do use cycle lanes despite what you believe.”

“?, Cleethorpes,

Yes, I agree that some car owners park on the road when they have a drive/garage, but they are not committing any offence as they have as much right to park on the road as anyone else. Whether you/we like it or not.

As to the cycle lanes, would you have a vehicle park 2feet into the road so as not to park on a cycle lane? NO, thought not.

You say, " I don't have all of the answers." Sorry, ?, --I haven't seen any from you yet.”

“Warrior the point I was trying to make was the sense of futility I feel as a cyclist unable to use cycle lanes when cars are parked upon the. Take the stretch going past the former Lindsey Lower schools for example people park in them even though they maybe residents whom have driveways.
I wish there was more seperate cycle lanes but you know how bad town planners are. I don't have all the answers and that is that.”

“?, Cleethorpes,

How wide are the cycle lanes?-- 2ft? So, if a motorist parks at the outside edge of the white line, he/she will be just over 2ft from the kerb.
If I remember correctly, there is now a law that makes it an offence to park a certain distance from the kerb/edge of the road, I'm not sure, but I think it's between 6 and 12 inches.

So, ,? in your humble opinion, what should a motorist do? park on the cycle lane, (which are hardly used) or risk being fined for parking more than the permitted distance from the kerb, and nearly in the middle of the road? (and thus probably causing congestion too.)

Maybe we should take a leaf out of the Continental book, Germany, Holland etc and have dedicated cycle /walking lanes on all footpaths.
There is a example of this just outside of Holton-le Clay”