Gay marriage vote: Grimsby MP Austin Mitchell votes 'yes' and local Conservative MPs defy party

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Wednesday, February 06, 2013
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PARLIAMENT has voted to pave the way for gay marriage despite opposition from 139 Conservative MPs, including Cleethorpes' Martin Vickers.

Following a five-hour debate last night, the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill passed its second reading by 400 votes to 175, although it exposed deep divisions within the main Coalition party.

  1. HAPPY COUPLE:  Lynsey Brennan-Harris, right, and Catherine Brennan-Harris, pictured following their civil partnership ceremony at the Oaklands Hotel, Laceby.  Picture: Geoff Davies

    HAPPY COUPLE: Lynsey Brennan-Harris, right, and Catherine Brennan-Harris, pictured following their civil partnership ceremony at the Oaklands Hotel, Laceby. Picture: Geoff Davies

Edward Leigh, MP for Caistor and Market Rasen, and Sir Peter Tapsell, for Louth and Horncastle, also defied the Conservative Party to vote against the legislation.

Mr Vickers said same-sex marriage would "potentially alienate thousands" of Conservative supporters.

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"Maybe the tide of history is against them," he added, "but a major social change like this should not be pushed through without an electoral mandate.

"Governments must legislate to balance the different views of those over whom they rule, and by pushing ahead with this they're trampling on views of a great many people. Social changes like this should be allowed to evolve … but now is not the time."

Great Grimsby MP Austin Mitchell, however, supported the legislation, having decided to vote "yes" after listening to the Commons debate. Earlier yesterday, he told the Telegraph he was planning to abstain.

He said: "I heard all the arguments and decided it was almost inevitable. I was very moved by some of the speeches and decided I couldn't win by abstaining, so I voted for it."

The Bill will enable same-sex couples to get married in both civil and religious ceremonies, assuming a church or religious organisation has given its consent.

It will also allow couples who had previously entered into civil partnerships to convert their relationship into a marriage.

During the debate, Mr Leigh told MPs marriage was "by its nature a heterosexual union, bringing together one man and one woman".

He said: "It's not just a romantic attachment, which can exist between any two people, and it's not just a sexual union. It requires the opposite sexes; take that basic requirement away and what you have is not marriage.

"Not everything can be forced through the merciless prism of equality."

MPs had a free vote on the issue, which meant their parties did not instruct them on how to vote. It came after a concerted push by the Conservative Party to persuade its MPs to back the proposals.

Speaking just before MPs voted, the Prime Minister said same-sex marriage was "an important step forward" and would "make our society stronger".

The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill still has to pass three more Parliamentary hurdles before it is debated by the House of Lords.

Culture Secretary Maria Miller said all couples should be given this right, insisting the bill would protect religious freedoms and would "not marginalise" those who believe marriage is the preserve of a union between a man and a woman.

YouGov polling conducted on behalf of gay rights campaigners Stonewall ahead of the vote showed that seven in ten people support equal marriage, with nine in ten gay people supporting the proposals.

Representatives for both the Catholic church in North East Lincolnshire and the CofE Diocese of Lincoln spoke out against the bill, saying they did not believe marriage was appropriate for same sex couples.

They also argued against Government assertions that the wording of the bill would ensure that the Church of England and the Church in Wales will not face any legal challenges to their objections.

Editor's Comment

THERE must be many people actually scratching their heads in puzzlement over the fuss that the gay marriages vote has created.

In view of all the other serious issues that are going on both in the UK and internationally, would it be too controversial to ask the question – ‘Why does it appear that so much press time and debate has been held over this’?

We have the treasury warning of one recession after another, cuts right left and centre, fuel bills reaching sky high levels and some of our leading high street retailers going to the wall – putting people out of work.

In the minds of many surely those things are more important than whether a couple, whatever their sex, race or religion, wish to marry or not.

Could this be a distraction from some of the real issues that are going on, a diversion that allows us to cast our minds over to something else? Is there some more bad news that needs to be buried on a day when the headlines are the issue of marriage and same sex couples?

It just makes you wonder, doesn’t it!

*Are you in a same sex relationship, or do you have very firm views as to the whole issue.

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    by phantom2012

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 7:51PM

    “Sounds like both have voted as best to protect their votes in the upcoming election to me,”

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    by 4everblue

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 7:25PM

    “Once again....... The MINORITY........Pushing their lifestyle/views to the front of the agenda, when there are IMPORTANT things to debate which will go by the wayside because of Gays.

    Live your life the way you chose, but DO NOT impose it on others!!!!!!!”

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    by WalterMitty1

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 4:38PM

    “Does anyone seriously believe that those of us who are worried about heating bills ,the state of the N.H.S., policing, child abuse , council tax charges or care for the elderly give a #### about gay(homosexual) marriage?”

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    by GerrySixties

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 3:52PM

    “It looks to me as though Cameron is getting over-confident. Eastleigh is his next big test. LibDems will lose this seat and the Conservatives should win. If they don't it favours Labour. However, if Farage stands and UKIP take the seat or poll highly it spells trouble for Cameron. He has lost many Conservative members and supporters over this issue of same sex marriage. His next challenge is the Europe debate. His idea of facing down Euro-skeptics in the same manner of the AV vote and the coming Scotland vote might not work on Europe. And he might not win the next election. If the LibDems are in meltdown and lose most of their seats (most were Conservative at one time) they will either let the Conservatives regain or else see Labour take advantage of Conservative losses to UKIP. We might even see a UKIP MP next time. Interesting times for the PM who might regret this one issue of supporting something his party members do not care for.”

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    by philj259

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 3:00PM

    “I used to have a very narrow minded view on same sex couples, but I have changed my mind in that, if 2 people of same gender love each other then why should they be condemned or not allowed to marry. Its their choice at the end of the day. The Church however may have a different view on gay marriage in a church and I see this being a major obstacle. I just can't see the church allowing it. In my humble opinion I think the church is very outdated these days. If I was gay and wanted to marry my partner I would not be bothered if the church blessed it or not because if you believe in God, then God is the only one who can make a judgement”

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    by havntone

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 2:22PM

    “Shame on you Mitchell, well done Vickers.”

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    by NaFili

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 1:51PM

    “So Austin Mitchell tows the party line. "Here are my devoutly held principles but I'll change them if it doesn't suit and gets me into bother with the party!" Interesting watching what I could of the debate, most of the time the commons chamber looked as sparsley populated as the Gobi desert!”

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    by socks_uk

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 1:34PM

    “Please can someone tell me if this is a debate on religion or a dictionary definition?

    I truly believe that you do not choose your sexual orientation and so same sex couples should have the same rights as male/female couples. I am not a religious person so cannot comment on the desire to get 'married' in a church. To me, a church is just a very pretty building.

    Congratulations to everyone who chooses to commit their life to another person.”

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    by whatajoke112

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 12:02PM

    “Wont let me paste a link!!”

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    by whatajoke112

    Wednesday, February 06 2013, 11:55AM

    “Just found online petition calling for the resignation of Vickers here;

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