“Yes pensioner Windage loss reduction is what it was used for in large alternators & Compensators.”

“Jim, thanks for that......I don't want to elaborate on hydrogen other than to say we used it on generator slot cooling to save windage losses.....isn't it fun purging down and playing with the seal oil! What about water cooled conductors........”

“Jim. Regina.

See what i mean??
Just watch the rush for Hydrogen, and Hydrogen powered gas tanks to go to the shops in, that's got to be the next brainwave.”

“As usual your post was informative, & interesting pensioner. What you didn't mention is that hydrogen is the least dense element. It takes a lot of it to produce energy. The only way to store it is under very high pressure. A vehicle to travel any distance on hydrogen would have to have a great big truck load of hydrogen behind it. Hydrogen is a dud.”

“Mrs J. White.

At last you put across the arguement as it should be put.

For 13 years we have been force fed the E.U rubbish that Labour have foisted upon us, yes farming as well as fishing have been ruined by stupid E.U rules dictated by the likes of Mandleson, the unfair system of support favours French farmers whilst our farmers are left to try to compete with their higher subsidised produce.

Jim. Regina. Your post 6th March 14.08.

I am afraid that things seem to have changed since you left our sunny shores.
In years gone by when Britain did something the rest of the world followed.

Now when the rest of the world does something Britain follows, even if it's a failure we follow.

You only have to look at our political preferences, The rest of the world get rid of communism and 13 years ago the foolish people of Britain elected a communist style dictatorship, and probably will do again on 6th May.

Jim. stay where you are you're a lucky fellow.”

“Mark wrote:" We can't get power station jobs"

Who do you mean by 'we' Mark?

And no, I'm not an MP .. if I were, I wouldn't be *allowed* to criticise all this 'Green' daftness. You'll hear few denials coming from the political classes .. it's as though they're deaf, dumb and blind when it comes to challenging the man-made global warming theory - despite the fact that it's all based on very dodgy science and that the majority of the public have cottoned on to what a lucrative, money-making racket it's become.
They just don't want to listen.

Do you know that in just 5 years DEFRA alone has spent the ridiculous sum of £22 million JUST on researching and promoting all manner of 'Big Brother' tactics to force the man-made global warming message down our throats? That's just one government department.

This for example: It paid University of Westminster £63,000 for a research paper called "pro-environmental behavioural change, aiming to contribute towards a better practical understanding of how DEFRA could influence behaviours".

Or what about this one: "Sustainable development as a "collective choice - theoretical and practical implications", from Cranfield University. - the aim of that one was "to explore thoroughly the potential of a highly promising and unique body of research, known as "collective-action theory",
That cost a £23,333.

Then there's little gem: "Public Understanding of sustainable clothing", from Nottingham University - at a cost to the taxpayer of £60,000

etc etc etc

The list just goes on and on and on. Incomprehensible bits of paper written in daft bureau-speak. Useless rubbish.


All this, while British agriculture is on it's knees (thanks to the EU's Common Farming Policy), ordinary farmers are killing themselves in hopeless despair, pensioners can't afford to keep warm, petrol is going through the roof (we pay on average 6p more a gallon than they do in mainland Europe), food prices are rocketing, we're overrun with immigrants, unemployment is practically at an all time high - and to top it all - they EU is closing down our coal-fired and nuclear power plants!

It's obscene.
They're all stark staring bonkers!”

“I'm from Sheffield but this Josephine White sounds like she's talking good sense, we can't get power station jobs, is she a MP for your region?”

“Pensioner wrote: "Is any bio-fuel plant being built on purely commercial grounds?, or are they in on the wind farm fiddle of subsidies. I suspect the EU is driving the UK once again into expensive subsidised fuel follies.

Yes it is, Pensioner. 3.6 billion euros in 2006 alone.

"Government support is provided through a multitude of policies at the local, regional, national and Community levels. These policies include exemptions from or reductions in fuel-excise taxes; direct payments to producers in some Member States; capital grants or cheap loans for infrastructure; area payments for growing energy crops; and funding for research and development. Some Member States that have regulated minimum market shares for biofuels have started to move away from exempting them from fuel-excise taxes. That means that the higher costs of biofuels will simply be passed onto consumers. Meanwhile, stiff tariffs on ethanol imports protect EU producers from international competition and push up domestic prices".

Go to www(dot)globalsubsidies(dot)org(forward slash)en(forward slash)research(forward slash)biofuel-subsidies-european-union

Or if you can't make sense of that, in Google, just type in "Global Subsidies Initiative" and look for it there.. or email me on Josephine.white1@btinternet.com and I'll send you the link.”

“Apart from the odd airport and dockside, the world seems incapable of producing land. We do seem adept at producing people exponentially who do seem to need more food. Producing potential food crops for fuel is obscene when some countries are short of human food!

Hydrogen is a suitable vehicle fuel with no discernible pollution at the point of burn. However to produce Hydrogen on a scale to fuel the worlds transport would in turn cause pollution. Unless nuclear fission and then fusion was used to supply the hydrogen plants.......totally green and clean.

Another very clean and green way to supply hydrogen plants would be to build wind turbine generators. So far the vast wind turbine programme is indeed costing us hundreds of billions of pounds in subsidies and elevating the price of electricity by staggering amounts. It would still be worth paying the wind turbine vendors and operators eye watering amounts of money if only they could find a way around the wind cube law when it is windy and produce miracles when it isn't windy! Can you remember the last windy day?

Ethanol bio-fuel derivatives may cause conventional engines to suffer. It has taken refinery's decades to produce low sulphur engine friendly hydrocarbons. What is the EU forcing us to do: blend bio-fuels into ultra clean gasoline and diesel compromising performance and fuel system cleanliness. Ethanols are known to cause water ingress complications....critical in freezing conditions! Paper fuel filters are not wax, water and ice friendly. There have been many fuel station contamination episodes causing much misery and trouble. Yes road vehicle bio-fuels are being sneaked in and time before damage is on the suppliers side......whose blended fuel caused trouble after perhaps thousands of miles of fuel blends.....impossible to prove or trace.

If bio-fuels are sustainable, cheap and not causing starvation, burn it in conventional steam generators and leave my clean car alone.

Is any bio-fuel plant being built on purely commercial grounds?, or are they in on the wind farm fiddle of subsidies. I suspect the EU is driving the UK once again into expensive subsidised fuel follies.”

“I have no problem at all with finding alternative forms of energy - but I do have a few concerns about biomass fuel.

If you google the subject, you'll find that trillions are being invested into the development of the technology and building of biomass plants all over the world - so you can imagine the massive amount of 'raw material' which is going to be needed to power them all .. anything from wheat, trees, palm kernels, animal products (dead bodies??), you name it .. creating a huge and very lucrative global biofuels market. How long before greedy third world governments are increasingly growing the above crops purely for ethanol (for export to the first world) - instead of food to feed their peoples? We could end up with a situation where whole swathes of the planet are given over to ethanol production, with rampant de-forestation,the devastation of the environment, and the starvation of whole populations. Add to that the rising prices of those foods using wheat and corn etc and you have a global catastrophe.

I don't know if biofuels produce more carbon dioxide than petrol, but a study by Cornell University shows that biofuel production from farm crops such as corn takes 29% more energy than is yielded by the fuel itself (and that doesn't include the cost of energy to transport the ethanol).

So if Jim's right, then to waste trillions producing a "fuel" which actually consumes more energy than it delivers is insane. But then, so is the whole 'Climate Industry' money-making scam itself!”