Grimsby's rich heritage goes in display in shop window thanks to unique partnership

“Agree Mat- the Hat..... And where have I heard this story before... Why in a village just outside Grimsby it all started when a Village Council ignored the wishes of the Villagers, and after 2 votes that went against the Village Council.
They still went ahead with the building of a £300,000 plywood hut, to be payed for by those who did not want it in the first place.



Stewart”

“Shame that there is no longer any real heritage in the area where Wilkinson's now stands. If only we still had the Bullring instead of a cheap hardware store, a dated hotel, a fisherman's memorial statue surrounded with dead flowers and the dilapidated monstrosity that is St Jame's House; the Grimsby would probably be a heritage town worthy of attracting tourists. Our local councillors of the 1960s destroyed this town with their grand redevelopment plans and no lessons have been learned as we now see the councillors of 2012 flying in the face of public opinion to expand Freshney Place, knock down the swimming pool and destroy more of our town. Good on the Civic Society for foiling the plan for the adverts, but I think the question needs to be asked, does this town belong to its residents or its councillors? Come on Civic Society take on the guys in the Town Hall. Or are these power crazy monsters too big a fish to fry.”

“Sorry. Penultimate line in my first para: "intimated in the and much more to do with the development" should read:
"intimated in the Impact Assessment and much more to do with the development... [dam' cat on 'delete' key].”

Ҧ Dave1969 - Thur, Dec 27, 2012, 4:04PM

¶ "You mean the Gardner drawings of 1928 which are repoduced in the Heritage Impact Assessment which show three pairs of lamps? ¶
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Must confess that my "at least five pairs" of lights was to elicit a response regarding "...the lighting on there was never original, having only been installed in 1988/89". The photograph referred to does, in fact show the three pairs of standards on their columnar bases as shown in the designer/constructor drawings referred to in the archive, the cosultancy document and your - but they are present in the late 'fifties/early 'sixties, and not as installed in 1988/9. Also, the commercial justification of the bridge, apart from the need of a more efficient replacement, had nothing to do with the fishing industry as intimated in the and much more to do with the development of Immingham and the location of an existing informed workforce living on the East Marsh.

And, of course, in the context of this 'thread',the fact that this Scherzer bridge, one of the finest of it type, if not THE finest extant and, as such, is deserving of the utmost attention at all times; bearing in mind that it's about all we have left of the Grimsby that was worth knowing.

And finally, I don't recall shouting ANYBODY down, merely recommending others seek original data, being mindful of the fact that eliciting information from the council is reminiscent of 'blood and stones' and such as IS obtained is incomplete or wrong or the request is totally ignored. Chapter and verse available... and, as others here, almost without exception have indicated, the local record of environmental/heritage 'concern' has been abysmal.
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GRIM_oldie1909”

“You mean the Gardner drawings of 1928 which are repoduced in the Heritage Impact Assessment which show three pairs of lamps?

I presume that by the "Masterplan" produced by the "Partnership" you mean the application for listed building consent submitted by Ross Davy Associates and the Heritage Impact Assessment produced by Grover Lewis Associates? And before you say that the application and supporting evidence are fabrications, perhaps you should consider that both English Heritage and the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government (who had responsibility for refusing or granting the permission) were happy with them. But I'm sure you'll find a problem with that as well....

My point is that you should read the available information before shouting people down. By all means complain about the lack of knowledge of heritage maters to other people, and the lack of action by the council, but make sure you're right before you do so or you'll undermine your own arguments.”

Ҧ 'Dave1969' Thur, Dec 27, 2012, 12:14PM

¶ "With regards to Corporation Bridge, you could always check the Listed Building application and the facinating Heritage Impact Assessment before shouting your opinion:" ¶
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I suggest you look to the Gardner/Arrol drawings and the 50-yr-old photograph before throwing at us more Master Plans emanating from a partnership made 'wherever'!

The documents you refer to are somewhat unrelated to fact, just like the excuses for the sinking of the 'Esther' and the destruction of the p.s. 'Lincoln Castle'.

You know where you can access the Arrol and Gardner drawings and the Havens Archive photographs (and other ORIGINAL historic documentation).”

“With regards to Corporation Bridge, you could always check the Listed Building application and the facinating Heritage Impact Assessment before shouting your opinion:

http://tinyurl.com/cqswmbx

and

http://tinyurl.com/bnsl7x9

Corporation Bridge was built with three pairs of lamps, one of which now stand outside of the Fishing Heritage Centre, with single hexagonal lamps.”

“RE: ¶ slackerbtch' on Thur, Dec 27 2012, 12:20AM

"Erm... Grim_oldie, just a point about Corporation Bridge - the lighting on there was never original, having only been installed in 1988/89 when the bridge was redecorated, the plant, closing gates and original overhead gantry on the western approach removed..." ¶
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I've referred to The International Havens Archive, administered by the p.s. 'Lincoln Castle' Archive & Collection, viz., a photograph taken from the West side of Alexandra Dock, South Arm, with the whole of the Scherzer bridge included, looking towards the Riverhead Basin. Informed-estimate date, to the year: 1960 at the latest. This particular series of photographs includes Mr. Jack Tartellin, bridgemaster, in front of of the main switchboard in the bridgemaster's cabin. The gantry crossing the metalled way is clearly present, AS ARE THE ORIGINAL LAMP STANDARDS - at least five pairs, in the battleship grey of the rest of the bridge structure. In the background, immediately behind the bridge is what could be one of Blow's steamers, while on the skyline are the cooling towers of the Moss-rd power station.

Maybe I should ask The Telegraph if they want to publish the pictures in a 'Bygones'... or maybe the Wilko's display would benefit from their presence?”

“i love the way they advertize the importance of being in the spot next to grimsby minister( st james)if it was that important you would of left the town corn exchange as it was, not knocked it down for a square box , nice idea from wilkos tho, looks smart x”

“Erm... Grim_oldie, just a point about Corporation Bridge - the lighting on there was never original, having only been installed in 1988/89 when the bridge was redecorated, the plant, closing gates and original overhead gantry on the western approach removed and of course the original light grey colour over-painted.

Yes, what is there currently isnt the prettiest and I am sure that eventually they will be clad in much the same way as the previous incumbents. But only the four columns either end of the bridge are original and even then the lanterns were not.”