Eric Pickles picks apart Chris Shaw's proposal to abolish all 650 MPs
RADICAL proposals to scrap all MPs by the local Labour party have been dismissed by central government – to little surprise.
Council leader Chris Shaw unveiled his idea to scrap the country's 650 MPs and replace them with local council leaders to Communities Secretary Eric Pickles.
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DISMISSED IDEA: Communities Secretary Eric Pickles
While Mr Pickles thanked Councillor Shaw for his ideas on how to cut public spending, he told him it "wouldn't allow for proper accountability" if approved.
After the meeting, Mr Shaw told the Grimsby Telegraph: "He took all our cost saving measures on board but he doesn't like the idea of getting rid of MPs – I can't understand why.
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"We thought it would save a lot of money but obviously Mr Pickles doesn't agree.
"At least we made our voices heard."
Mr Shaw calculates his plan could save the country £1.5 billion. It has sparked wide debate among readers on www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk
Williampink wrote: "We need a new way of running our country. We have a government no one voted for, a head of state no one voted for and a house of lords no one voted for. We have central government, albeit telling local governments how to run their councils.
"At least Mr Shaw has put his toe in the water. Is what we have called democracy? I don't think so."
MrObjective said: "A load of nonsense ... not least because £1.5bn is a drop in the ocean, it's not even one per cent of the annual interest on the national debt! It would cost many more billions to implement a change on such a massive scale. If he is seriously going to suggest this to Ministers, they are going to laugh him out of town!"
Mr Shaw's idea would scrap the House Of Lords and replaced it with an English Assembly of elected upper house of 100 representatives from the regions and local issues would be dealt with by local council leaders in a separate chamber.
He added: "We were going to the meeting anyway so it didn't cost us any extra, although it cost us in time getting the facts and figures together. Now we just have to wait for a response – that's going to be amusing – perhaps I should ask our two MPs to take it up with him."




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by john0906
Monday, March 11 2013, 8:44AM
“I have had brief dealings with Mr Shaw and I am sorry to say a blinkered horse sees the wider picture better than Mr Shaw. He like many councilors have reached their lofty posistion not by what they know but who they know. That is very dangerous indeed as he like many of his counterparts do not has the skills of knowledge to do the job they are intrusted with. And it the people on the streets who suffer as a concequence.”
by Leveret2
Friday, March 08 2013, 9:28PM
“PPS
My idea is that we should have an apolitical Senate. (Previous membership of any political party would disbar someone from becoming a Senator.)
The Senate's role would be reject any action or proposed legislation not previously stated in the Manifesto, eg a random decision to bomb or invade another country (with all the expense that entails) ... and, in the first place, to have rejected any Manifesto too ambiguous, ill-defined or imprecise. Would-be rulers should be able to anticipate quite a bit, or they're not up to it. Only really big events, on a scale such as the Fall of Communism or the Fall of Apartheid might call for a National response council. But things like the Poppies of Mass Destruction ... everyone can see. (So to leave out something like that would cause the Senate to reject the Manifesto.)
Any thoughts, anyone ?
l2”
by Leveret2
Friday, March 08 2013, 9:11PM
“PS
I'm still wondering if there would be mileage in petitioning the Queen over all this. (The trouble with Judicial Review is a), that it concerns itself not with the quality of the decision, but only with whether the decision-makers adhered to the proper process, and b), that it costs a fortune every time you have one.)
Though non-elected, and still non-representative of us, HMQ could be one of the few people in a privileged enough position to have her voice heard as regards (her) people's wishes.
Does anyone know if that would be a runner ?
l2”
by Leveret2
Friday, March 08 2013, 8:59PM
“Talking turkey, Donnie: let's mix it a bit, shall we ? Not only do porkers not vote for Sunday roast, they want their cake and to eat it. I wouldn't normally back a local despot, even on coastal path issues (or, especially not on coastal path issues) ... but if you are gonna have a United States of Europe, why do u also need 650 unux (or indeed, any at all) ?
The one thing u are NOT gonna have, though, is any say in it. It's fat cats in the middle versus porkers on the right (with no tricky left-winger to be seen anywhere, 'cept maybe on the Park). Gobblin' turkeys, to a man.”
by quatrop1
Friday, March 08 2013, 7:27PM
“An italian comedian Beppo Grrillo became a politician. Judging by his actions since the last election Councillor Shaw is trying to reverse Beppos achievements. I hesitate to call CS a politician but he ignores the electors wishes and refuses to divulge details of a report paid for by the population that may not confirm his views.
He should have been a Tory.”
by williampink
Friday, March 08 2013, 3:53PM
“Mr Pickles has all the councils in his back pocket.He can do what he likes with them.A bit on the despotic side. Not to my liking .”
by iggypop23
Friday, March 08 2013, 2:06PM
“The only reason Pickles tore Chris Shaws proposal apart is that he's worried he won't have the money to buy all those fattening dinners and lunches oh yes and all the pies.”
by davendogs
Friday, March 08 2013, 2:03PM
“How could he for one minute have thought his idea would go anywhere or be considered? This part of the country is allready a backwater, we don't need Shaw to rub it in. The man is in need of a MRI scan. That or as Robbie Williams said in Good morning Vietnam.”
by Davex66
Friday, March 08 2013, 12:57PM
“Why not do away with elections as well and save MP's to more money?
I've just remembered where I first saw this suggestion - it was in the Telegraph from Chris Shaw!
It seems like Shaw is in favour of anything that will give him more power!”
by Rambling_Mick
Friday, March 08 2013, 12:26PM
“Local councils like to play politics while central government actually govern. If we follow Chris Shaw's plan, then the country would be in worse shape than ever.
However, if we were to get rid of all the local politicians....
you get the picture”