Public sector union members 'marching for a future that works'

“Malcolm wrote: "I don't think they are striving for a socialist utopia anymore!"

Of course they are, poor deluded fools that they are!

The only reason the unions tolerate the EU is because it keeps promising them more of it! And what's worse .. the silly mugs at the TUC keep believing it!
Liberalisation is the EU's agenda .. not workers rights. The EU doesn't give a fig for 'workers' or 'individuals'. It gave up any pretense of a 'Social Europe' with 'Lisbon'.

And, of course, the union fat cats love the EU because it gives them oodles of 'funding', and because they get to sit at the 'Big Table' in Brussells with all the other over-paid lard-bottomed fat cats, AND they get to bestride the continental stage like so many wild-eyed Che Guevaras, sanctimoniously preaching the protection of 'rights' and jobs for Eastern Europeans, and Spaniards, and Indians, and Somalians .. but to hell with their own members back at home! And they wonder why memberships are plummeting?
Grrr.

Malcolm also wrote: "They simply don't have the power they once had to protect workers and workers rights, which is why they can't do much about Mode 4 trade deal".

That's a load of Bo**ox Malcolm .. The Trade Union Movement's power lies with it's MEMBERS! It needs no other authority to act. Surely, it's the Unions JOB to challenge bad law and expose political treachery, isn't it?

By deliberately ignoring the dreadful consequences to British workers of Mode 4 - *just* because it 'can't do much about it' is a disgraceful cop-out, and complete betrayal both of its membership and the British worker in general.

And he also said: They can't win. They are criticised for having too much power, then when they show that the real powers they once had have been stripped away, they are criticised for being too weak!"

There is such a thing as a 'happy medium', you know.”

“waste of time, unions have been hijacked by communist dinosaurs on huge wages, and there was a unison banner at a recent pro-IRA march in liverpool. people really need to look at those at the top and their agenda and vote them out.”

“As an ex-public sector worker I would say these people are marching for the past.”

“well said speech24”

“Calypso (not Jo, not Jo at all!), I think you have an image of Unions as they were immediately after WWII! I don't think they are striving for a socialist utopia anymore! They simply don't have the power they once had to protect workers and workers rights, which is why they can't do much about Mode 4 trade deal. They can't win. They are criticised for having too much power, then when they show that the real powers they once had have been stripped away, they are criticised for being too weak!

Smokebelch - You say 'I suspect you may be one of those that will now have to start earning their money and stop wasting their time on here during office hours'. Well no. I'm retired - from the private sector. I just understand that putting hundreds of thousands of workers on the dole whilst at the same time doing nothing to create jobs is not a good idea. Most people seem to think that our local council is full of handsomely paid meeting attenders, when the actual truth is that 99% will be low to middle earners who constantly live in fear of the next round of cuts.”

“When we eventually drop out of the EU the never ending deposit of regulations will hopefully cease then we can see a steady and structured transposition of jobs from the public sector back to the private sector. All jobs are good jobs but not all jobs are good for the economy of our country. We have a debt total according to the National Statistic office of £1039.5 billion which equates approximately to £16700 per head of population and that cannot be paid off unless we all become productive and export more, that won't happen in the EU but it's working better in other Commonwealth countries.”

“lizidrip, the people that the general population are sick off are not front liners, care workers, bin men, grounds men etc etc. Its the faceless unaccountable pen pushers who hide behind legislation etc in a bid to justify their own positions, we seem to pay these idiots exorbitent amounts to actually hinder our own economic growth. Ive had to deal with 'officials' from the council on two occasions, once representing my private sector employer over an issue on emissions and the 2nd over planning issues on the family farm, boths times ive been left staggered by the incompetence and attitude of these nobodys and cannot wait to see these people cast onto the scrap heap.”

“Have any of you posting such negative comments ever been a public service woker, very unlikely I would have thought,
You really are showing what a bunch of thoughtless and discriminatory people you are and demonstrating no real knowledge of what public service workers actually do.
Most of you would not last 5 minutes as public service worker, the abuse from members of the so called public would have you sobbing for your mummies within 5 minutes and saying its not fair I am not paid enough for this.
Do you negative people actually know what public service workers do, thought not, you obviously have not got the brains other wise you would be supporting them.
I have obviously expected too much from Grimsby people, some of you have certainly taken the great out of Grimsby. Shame on you”

“@Malcolm_X
"Do you mean the public sector that has had countless job evaluations, pay freezes, redundancies, outsourcing , reorganisations, etc, constantly for the last 10 years?"

That is EXACTLY the sector I'm talking about, the one that my taxes pay for the gravy train, the massively overblown pensions, the overpaid,over staffed and underworked public sector.
Please spare me the bleeding heart sobs, was anyone bothered when the blue collar workers get hammered?...... no, its now only an issue because those white collar workers in their ivory towers are having to feel the pinch too
Only have to look on the GET and see 6 jobs, with a total wage of £250,000!!!! doubt we'll see any value for money from those 6 jobs and that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Of course many public sector workers do actually work for a living (Police, Fire, Ambulance to name 3, but there are many more) these should be ring fenced, but the hangers on, and those in non jobs, well.......I'll let your massively superior intellect to mine figure the rest out and fill in the blanks Malcolm, (Although I'm not sure you'll have the time soon, as from your comments I suspect you may be one of those that will now have to start earning their money and stop wasting their time on here during office hours)
At the end of the day, the financial trouble this country is in, is all our own doing, we all got greedy, we had to have nice houses, filled with nice things and a nice car (maybe 2) on the front etc......it all has to be paid for at some point doesn't it?.
@speech 24, you've got it absolutely bang on with your comments”

“And incidentally, Malcolm, if I DO 'bang on' about it, its because it's crucial that the general public are aware of what's going on. They HAVE to know.

So how else are they supposed to find out?

Their Unions? Forget it. They're too wrapped up in the daft dreams of 'World Socialism"

Our MP's?? What a joke! None of them - not even UKIP - will touch it with a bargepole, and Austin Mitchell only found out about it a few weeks ago.

IT'S BEING DELIBERATELY KEPT FROM US.

What else can I do??

And cheers Malcolm .. you've just blown my cover. Now some spiteful plonker will report me .. again, and It'll be bye bye Calypso!
Grrr”