“A perfect example has got to be how the council manages to fill the front page of the GT whenever it successfully prosecutes someone and commits them to prison for non-payment of Council Tax.

However, nothing reached the printed page when the council made a monumental blunder in its over enthusiastic pursuit to enforce a council tax debt which didn't exist. A debt that didn't exist which, however, incurred court costs and even bailiff visits for the alleged debtor. Had the council not been proved WRONG about there being a DEBT, this too would have been a front page feature, and one of the council's committal conquests which it would exploit, to stamp its authority.

Reading through the "IN THE COURTS" sections doesn't reveal the council had been the guilty party, nor do you get the slightest indication that the council had brought a court case it shouldn't have.”

“'P' Every one should pay up on time. WE'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER.

'F' Yeah and we're happy how things are reported in this now well run place aren't we P_.

'P' Certainly are Fan.

'F' What happened about that £7,000,000 I'd like to see a detailed follow up of that.”

“oh dear, once again, we have to endure the deluded ramblings of the fish who has clearly had his brain removed in the middle of the night and replaced with a cabbage, repeating the same stupid drivel. Puts me in mind of those 'chatty cathy' talking doll's of yesteryear...'programmed to repeat a small selection of phrases'...wake up and realise what is going on,fish, and your various silly aliases, instead of trying to cover it up...well done to RIPVAN for keeping us informed no matter how many people try to put obstacles in the way...a message to the deluded fish THERE'S NONE SO DEAF AS THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO HEAR....”

“The Telegraph under the stewardship of Michelle Lalor has consistently shown a huge bias toward the local council. The Telegraph continually prints press releases handed to them by the local authority. The reporters simply change a few words and pass it off as their own work.

There is a story on the site with over 600 comments,the majority of which are deeply concerned about the council's debt collection policy and practices, yet the Telegraph, which once laughingly, professed itself to be the 'Champion of the Community' has not once mentioned any of these concerns in relevant stories.

As part of the editors code Mrs Lalor is perfectly entitled to be partisan and biased towards those who keep her newspaper in advertising funds. She is breaking no rules of journalism with her craven subjugation.

The result of this non journalism and total contempt for their readers has led the Telegraph to the brink of bankruptcy. Advertising revenues are at an all time low as are readership figures and circulation. I'm sure the Telegraph would counter this by pointing out it is a national trend, yet our local paper has always maintained a strong market position in times of economic difficulty.

Since Mark Price succeeded Steve Hollingsworth as MD the Telegraphs in Grimsby & Scunthorpe have resembled a sinking ship. Scunthorpe is already down to a once weekly issue and I can only wonder how long it will be before the Grimsby paper follows suit. The paper is almost a carbon copyof the rest of the rapidly diminishing collection of Northcliffe papers. Indeed many stories on the 'thisis' network, which appear to be reader generated are in fact generic Northcliffe staff generated. You can look on sites in Bristol, Hull, Leicester etc and see the same stories. Hardly local at all.

In addition most local businesses will testify to the ridiculously high advertising rates for what is a declining newspaper. The Telegraph's ascertation that they represent great value is no longer true and many local retailers have cottoned on to that fact.

So all in all, the Telegraph under the Lalor/Price regime has become a laughing stock of low quality reporting with absolutely no connection with the local population and even the initiatives it presents to aid the local community are really just ploys to generate more ad revenue.

Sadly I can't see the situation improving while the Telegraph is in the uncaring hands of Northcliffe media. It certainly does not represent the local community in any way whatsoever, and this will ultimately cause it's demise.

New ownership with a local interest is urgently required. Only then can the great name of the Telegraph be hauled out of the gutter the current owners are dragging it through.”

“Well said Kenward.

It's all that 'Local Strategic 'Partnership' nonsense. The GT can hardly claim 'impartiality' in anything when it's committed to the all-important 'Consensus" required of NE Lincs Great & Good. No no no .. journalistic impartiality wouldn't do at all!

Look here for North East Lincs very own 'Old Boys Club' who are running this town
http://tinyurl.com/7pdhowm

Hardly a democratically elected person in sight!!”

“This is a pointless WINDMILLING circular argument generated by less people that could be counted on one hand and is not representative of NEL and no responsible person or organisation would take the slightest notice of the transparent 'plot'.

Claim was made that a website was in process of preparation for 'the campaign', well why don't 'they' get on it with it and leave this site free for the real news relevant to the people of NEL, that we see reported daily in the Grimsby Telegraph.

Of course the campaign website would be the least visited on the internet and the sandwich board and loudhailer might still have to be employed.

Come on, show courage, break cover, don the sandwich board and loudhailer and spout the message outside the Town Hall and as it would now appear, over the flyover as well and give everyone a wry smile.

I don't know anyone associated with the council and the only occasion I meet anyone remotely involved with the Telegraph is when I give my paperboy £5 at Xmas for bringing me a first class read for 52 weeks a year.

Do you agree Fan?

'F' Absolutely P_ and well said.”

“Well, Pirhana .. I for one do not believe you.

Nobody (and I MEAN nobody) could be so obsequiously cloying in their praise of North East Lincs Council to the extent to which you are - and not have a self-serving association with it.

I'm afraid you are hoist by your own petard.”

“Piranha,

This is hardly the writing style of NJ you alluded to under another pseudonym.

Oh! That's a point, talking of writing style, did you ever have anything published?”

“Agree with kenward 100%, the editor, Michelle Lalor has killed this paper. She must be the worst editor this paper has ever had. I dont think there will be a daily GT in a years time.”

“I thought Dim Thickleburgh was the editor of this rag, I wouldn't say the GT has gone downhill but I stopped buying it about 4 years ago, I go shopping for my neighbour and he leaves me his telewags, I wouldn't give this council supporting, benefit dependent supporting, bunch of badly put together adverts toilet space.”

“Anyone considered the cleethorpes chronicle ?
Solid balanced reporting and the advertising is a fraction of the telegraph - granted it's not got a sizeable readership but it is a good read each week !”

“And suddenly all the Keyboard worriors are out in force.. one day you can all be better editors.. tomorrow you will all be better football managers, and better judges, police officers and so on... yet you will all still buy it and moan”

“It appears we have touched a nerve. I take it 'applejam12' works for the Telegraph. your comment might have carried more weight if you had addressed the specific issues raised in people's comments rather than whining about the fact that people have expressed their dissatisfaction wit this increasingly irrelevant rag. We may be better judges etc tomorrow, but you were wrong on one point.

Nobody is buying your rubbish rag any more and that is the point of the comments, and to suggest that people will moan and buy it displays the arrogance of thought that so typifies the rubbish you turn out on a daily basis. The Telegraph was once a respected newspaper, Michelle Lalor and her band of tenth rate hacks have certainly put paid to that.”

“It's only the malcontents who have become dissatisfied with the GT because it doesn't bow to the whims of their minority, a minority that can be counted on less than one hand. Let the blushing grand plotter don the sandwich board and address NEL by loudhailer if he dare. They could also open their once acclaimed website haha. The GT is fit and healthy.”

“I don't know about the others on this thread, but I find your comments not only patronising, but ill-informed.

Call us whatever sneery name you will, but the fact remains, we arethe paying public. And increasingly, many of us are not paying to read the Grimsby any more.

Why? Because it has been changed from being a damn fine local newspaper which it's readers always felt was on their side, to little more than a propaganda sheet for the State (with the odd bit of frothy drivel and sensationalised garbage thrown in - to keep the mindless among it's readership suitably dumbed-down and/or outraged, of course).

I'm not sure whether thats down to the editor or if it's the policy of Northcliffe Media, but whoever is responsible, they have a lot to answer for.

(And incidentally, the Grimsby Telegraphs most popular feature is Viewpoint .. two pages devoted entirely to the views of all the 'Keyboard Warriors' you hold in such disdain).”

“There is a story on the site with over 600 comments,the majority of which are deeply concerned about the council's debt collection policy and practices, yet the Telegraph, which once laughingly, professed itself to be the 'Champion of the Community' has not once mentioned any of these concerns in relevant stories.

The Grimsby Telegraph has sunk to it's lowest standing ever, seemingly printing "stories" that a child would factually question.

The GT has continually printed misinformation about the wind energy scam, simply repeating propaganda from the renewable sector. You would think at least one reporter would have some knowledge of physics and the ability to see through the lies claimed.

At the time of writing, the combined UK wind energy output is a measly 0·7% of the UK demand at 370 MWe, not even as much as a single RELIABLE gas turbo generator! Imagine today if we had ten times as many wind turbines the output would still only be 7·0%.....The GT has never grasped the concept of wind energy requiring wind........and that contentious wind cube law is just beyond their mental grasp.

Incidentally, perhaps the GT might be interested to know the wind energy scam is working very effectively today........ hundreds of expensive turbines are idle in this winters coldest period, Viz: http://tinyurl.com/5beyz and by clicking on "generation by fuel type table, the following: http://tinyurl.com/8362cxd

But then even given to them on a plate, the GT subserviently cow tows to the industry and prints lies about load factors!

The GT is now pumping out daily items, clearly biased as adverts for business's, collecting zero acknowledgement or comment from the readership.

And yet the GT seems incapable of editing or moderating it's readership input to the paper!

Most notable at the moment is the very strange GT tolerance, of some immature imbecile able to spew rubbish at a pathetic level of intelligence rarely seen on any newspaper.

The GT attitude to this ongoing saga beggars belief....or are they deliberately promoting the demise of their own newpaper by allowing decay to set in with a vengeance?”

“Awwww, he'll present his normal self soon. There's nothing wrong with the reporting by the GT it's first class and people I know enjoy reading it.

If the gang of perhaps 2 or 3 at most don't like it then break cover, don the sandwich board and preach through a loudhailer to the rest of us. Come on blushing plotter, man up and don't hide.”

“its cos the telegraph isnt written in greimsby no more so its impartiall”

“immingham recource centre is cruel to those kids at 16 theyl be begging tyhem kids to work some free labour cos theres a ression theres always some reason to stop poor communinties outa london experiances the life chances londons kids get”

“WELL SAID geoff crayon!! WELL SAID........”

“jenny956flicr - not written in Grimsby, keep up with the news. It has never not been written in Grimsby, the page design was moved to Hull but that has moved back to Grimsby now too.
Armchair critics are still happy to get all their news for free on here though.
Wonder what it is like to be so high and mighty and hypocritical. On that subject I know some who fit in that category, who rely on government funding to keep their so-called local businesses going... at tax payers' expense”

“crazycat. The whole point of this site is that people can come and get their 'news' for free. The hits on the site from people doing just that, make the site attractive to advertisers who are trying to reach as many people as possible. The Telegraph profits from this.

I have absolutely no idea what you are alluding to in your final paragraph, perhaps you should elaborate.

It appears that those in favour of the Telegraph (crazycat, applejam and the troll) are unable to respond to any of the issues raised about the standards of the Telegraph, and are only able to attack people merely for criticising it.

When your own readers have severe reservations about the declining quality of their local paper, perhaps the sensible thing to do is that those concerns are addressed by the editor or a member of her team. Instead readers are branded 'hypocritical' high and mighty' keyboard warriors' etc merely for having the temerity to criticise.

Must be awful for the two Michelle's and their staff to have lowly peasants like us questioning their betters.”

“GOOGLER'S aren't to be taken seriously they are to be larfed at hahahaha.

Nobody will respond to an idiot copying and pasting the internet.

GOOGLER'S efforts to change a single voter's intentions are KAPUT!

Nobody cares about GOOGLER so he remains ignored.”

“Shenfield are you serious about a good solid balanced read and reporting in the chronicle. Its just a local propagander sheet for a certain individual to exploit various governerships and executive roles ! More a case of network toadying to give a positive spin to the GY BOYS CLUB/NEL boys club. the CLEETHORPES SPIN SHOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TITLE ! shame on you.”

“Come on really nothing anyone think's or does really matters from grass roots local rag to tabloids and broad sheets. BBC ITV SKY, all media is in the pockets of the people that have power influence and money. Newspapers and news in general is just part of the mirage keeping the masses hypnotized, brainwashed, paralyzed unable to see the web before us all obscuring the truth behind all the lies that keep us trapped in this illusion of democracy and capitalism. Just who's pockets were raided by all the recent tax changes not the wealthy that's for sure.”

“Rugrat, nothing will ever change, call me Dave can charge a quarter of a million for tea and biscuits, just as much as B Liar can call himself a socialist, donate royalties from his autobiography to forces charities and carry off his used car salesman grin to a tee, nothing will ever change, we vote or we don't vote, we watch newsnight or we watch the X factor, does it really matter? A select few will wear the suits, an unfortunate few will be unemployable and permanently be too stupid to see beyond the next giro and special offer at Lidl, the majority of us will work, moan, consume and die.

Life in this country isn't so bad, we don't question anything, we read rubbish, we eat junk and we act like sheep, Stalin couldn't have controlled the proles easier, welcome to the permanently in debt, keep up with the more in debt Jones society.”

“Yodavesando, we have had similar exchanges before, but I know things can change if the few that know it shout loud enough so that enough people can hear. Take the Bradford Spring for instance a surprise from no where that addressed the real concerns of the local people, a largely Asian populous voting for a white man who'd have though it. But in order to facilitate such a c change in voting you need to present an alternative credible choice and do the foot work. Get enough followers and then others will start to jump ship from other parties then the tide becomes unstoppable. Does the respect party have the legs to make the radical changes his country needs? Time will tell.”

“I think everybody knows that the GET has always towed the Councils line. It has championed the likes of Khan, and anyone who has the capability of securing and frittering away of tax revenues. It continues to toady up to the quango's, and the self serving inner circle that control this area.”

“Rugrat, in many ways, George Galloways success was a good thing all round, he's not my favourite politician but he's a fine orator and while the PM and leader of the opposition were discussing cornish pasties, Mr Galloway was walking the streets of Bradford and convincing people to vote for him, Caroline Lucas is an MP, the BNP have 2 MEP's, UKIP always put up a strong fight, in my opinion, we have to break the Lab/Lib/Con strangehold, I'm not convinced by the main 3 and I'm willing to trust someone new or different. The options have limited appeal.

Brutto, the GT like most papers couldn't give a monkeys if we boycott it, advertising pays the bills at GSMG towers. Our 40 or is it 45P nowadays doesn't really amount to much.”

“Two examples are yesterday's article:

BOGUS 'VICTIM' CAUTIONED FOR FAKING BURGLARY PROMPTS POLICE WARNING

http://tinyurl.com/cd4r3n8

And Today's:

WOMAN BARRED FROM FRESHNEY PLACE FOLLOWING ALLEGED ATTEMPTED ABDUCTION

http://tinyurl.com/bunhfwq

In both, contributors summed up that any crimes committed by the authorities will never attract coverage from the local press or be investigation by the police.”

“by imbo_seal

"And Today's:

WOMAN BARRED FROM FRESHNEY PLACE FOLLOWING ALLEGED ATTEMPTED ABDUCTION

http://tinyurl.com/bunhfwq

In both, contributors summed up that any crimes committed by the authorities will never attract coverage from the local press or be investigation by the police."


I see what you mean.”

“what can one say? ,FITS THE BILL NICE THANK YOU,I have a crime number but what happens to these numbers?JUST A NUMBER??”